US Military Contract Watch
On May 17, DoD Approved $152,973,929.46
1) Contract for May 17, 2002 (Department of Defense)
On May 16, DoD Approved
2) Contract for May 16, 2002 (Department of Defense)
News and Analysis:
3) Missile defense work set for summer at Fort Greely, Alaska (Assoicated Press)
4) Pentagon Looks to High-Tech Weapons (Assoicated Press)
5) US Air Force sees urgent need to replace tankers (Reuters)
6) US Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld Interview with Rush Limbaugh (Department of Defense)
- To be fair, Rumsfeld also interview with NBC Today
1) United States Department of Defense Contract
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5 p.m. ET May 17, 2002
AMSEC LLC, Virginia Beach, Va., is being awarded a $62,217,467 modification to previously awarded cost-plus-fixed-fee contract (N00189-01-D-0290) to exercise an option for mission-essential engineering and technical services for direct fleet support of the Carrier Engineering Maintenance Assist Team (CEMAT). Work will be performed in Newport News, Va., (40 percent); San Diego (30 percent); Everett, Wash., Bremerton, Wash. (20 percent); Mayport, Fla. (five percent), and other areas, including outside the U.S. (five percent), and is to be completed by June 2003. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The Fleet and Industrial Supply Center, Norfolk, Va., is the contracting activity.
Roy F. Weston, Inc., Manchester, N.H., is being awarded a $10,201,814 modification to a cost-plus fixed-fee task order under an indefinite delivery type contract (DACW33-00-D-0006), for construction activities associated with the 1.5 removal action at the GE and Housatonic River Project. Work will be performed in Pittsfield, Mass., and is to be completed by Dec. 31, 2004. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. There were an unknown number of bids solicited via the World Wide Web in Aug. 19, 1999, and four bids were received. The U. S. Army Corps of Engineers, New England District, Concord, Mass., is the contracting activity.
Woods Hole Group Environmental Laboratories, Raynham, Mass., is being awarded a firm-fixed-price task-order with a cumulative total contract ceiling of $5,000,000 for environmental laboratory services in support of the New England District. Work will be performed in Mass., (10 percent), New Hampshire (10 percent), Rhode Island (10 percent), Connecticut (five percent), Vermont (10 percent), Maine (10 percent), New York (10 percent), New Jersey (five percent), Pennsylvania (five percent), Maryland (five percent), Virginia (five percent), Delaware (five percent), West Virginia (five percent), and is to be completed by May 2007. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. There were an unknown number of bids solicited via the World Wide Web on June 11, 2001, and six bids were received. The U. S. Army Corps of Engineers, New England District, Concord, Mass., is the contracting activity, (DACW33-02-D-0006).
CDM Federal Programs Corp., Cambridge, Mass., is being awarded a firm-fixed-price task-order with a cumulative total contract ceiling of $10,000,000 for a watershed assessment study. Work will be performed in Massachusetts (20 percent), New Hampshire (20 percent), Rhode Island (20 percent), Connecticut (20 percent), Vermont (20 percent), and is to be completed by May 17, 2007. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. There were an unknown number of bids solicited via the World Wide Web on Nov. 13, 2001, and six bids were received. The U. S. Army Corps of Engineers, New England District, Concord, Mass., is the contracting activity, (DACW33-02-D-0005).
On May 16, 2002, Rafael Construction, Inc., Henderson, Nev., was awarded a $8,779,076.46 firm-fixed-price contract for F-1 channel, Hualapai Way to beltway, Las Vegas, Washington, and tributaries. Work will be performed in Las Vegas, and is to be completed by April 30, 2003. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. There were an unknown number of bids solicited via the Commerce Business Daily on Feb. 19, 2002, and four bids were received. The U. S. Army Engineer District, Los Angeles, is the contracting activity (DACW09-02-C-0004).
DEFENSE LOGISTICS AGENCY
New Maryland Clothing Mfg.*, Baltimore, Md., is being awarded a $5,925,127 firm-fixed-price with indefinite quantity and delivery type contract for Af Shade #1620 Man's Coat (72,000 each Min./85,000 each Max.) and Af Shade #1620 Woman's Coat (27,852 each Min./33,422 each Max.) for the U.S. Air Force. Work will also be performed at New York, N.Y. This contract is exercising its first year option. Performance completion date is expected to be May 27, 2003. Contract funds will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. There were 17 proposals and three were responded. The contracting activity is the Defense Supply Center Philadelphia (SP0100-01-D-0318).
Parker Hannifin, Irvine, Calif., is being awarded a $13,060,794 firm-fixed-price with indefinite quantity and delivery type contract for 81 NSNs aircraft parts for the U.S. Army, U.S. Navy, U.S. Air Force and U.S. Marine Corps. This contract is a three-year contract with three-year option periods (up to total of 12 years). Performance completion date is to be Sept. 28, 2004. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. There were 11 proposals and one was responded. The contracting activity is the Defense Supply Center Columbus, Ohio. (SP0740-01-D-9726).
Alliant Food Service, Albuquerque, Bernalillo, N.M., is being awarded a $5,700,000 firm-fixed-price with indefinite-quantity and delivery-type contract for prime vendor full line food distribution for the U.S. Army, federal civilian agencies. Work will also be performed at El Paso and Ft. Bliss, Texas. This contract is exercising its first year option. Performance completion date is scheduled for June 2, 2003. Contract funds will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. There were 21 proposals solicited and three were responded. The contracting activity is the Defense Supply Center Philadelphia (SP0300-02-D-3008).
Sigcorp Energy Services; Evansville, Ind. was awarded a $22,089,651 fixed-price with economic-price adjustment type contract for 8,626,780 decotherms of natural gas for the U.S. Army and federal civilian agencies. Work will be performed in Nashville and Oak Ridge, Tenn., Miamisburg, Ohio and Fort Knox, Ky. Work is to be completed by Sept. 30, 2005. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. There were eight proposals solicited with two responses. The contracting activity is the Defense Energy Support Center, Fort Belvoir, Va. (SP0600-02-D-7705).
The NTC Group*, Kennesaw, Ga., is being awarded a $5,000,000 competitive task orders type contract for recycling service of electronic scrap for the Defense Logistics Agency. The performance completion date is expected to be November 2003. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This was an Internet proposal with eight responses. The contracting activity is the Defense Reutilization and Marketing Service, Battle Creek, Mich. (SP4410-02-D-5003).
Global Investment Recovery*, Tampa, Fla., is being awarded a $5,000,000 competitive task orders type contract for recycling service of electronic scrap for the Defense Logistics Agency. The performance completion date is expected to be November 2003. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This was an Internet proposal with eight responded. The contracting activity is the Defense Reutilization and Marketing Service, Battle Creek, Mich. (SP4410-02-D-5002).
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5 p.m. ET May 16, 2002
Caterpillar Inc. Defense and Federal Products, Peoria, Ill., is being awarded a $34,880,674 fixed-price, indefinite-delivery and indefinite-quantity contract for FFG 7 class ship's service diesel engines, training, spare parts and related technical and logistics data. Work will be performed in Lafayette, Ind. (95 percent); San Diego (two percent); Norfolk, Va. (two percent); and Mayport, Fla. (one percent), and is to be completed by May 2007. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This contract was competitively procured and advertised in the Commerce Business Daily with 23 proposals solicited and two offers received. The Naval Surface Warfare Center, Carderock Division, Philadelphia is the contracting activity (N65540-02-D-0045).
DG21, Dallas is being awarded a $20,000,000 modification to the third option. Under the previously awarded firm-fixed-price, indefinite-quantity contract (N62742-98-D-4500) (A00168) for base operating support services. The award of this increase to option three brings the total contract value to $247,672,961, which originally was awarded on 8 March 1999. Work will be performed in Diego Garcia, British Indian Ocean Territory, and is to be completed by September 2002. Contract funds will expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The Naval Facilities Engineering, Pacific Division, Pearl Harbor, Hawaii, is the contracting activity.
ST Production Systems, Inc., Farmingdale, N.J., is being awarded a $6,239,516 modification to previously awarded firm-fixed-price contract (N00024-96-C-6395) to exercise an option to acquire four AN and SRQ-4 Radio Terminal Sets. Work will be performed in Farmingdale, and is to be completed by June 2003. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. The Naval Sea Systems Command, Washington Navy Yard, Washington, D.C., is the contracting activity.
Symetrics Industries, Inc.*, Melbourne, Fla., is being awarded a $5,627,543 firm-fixed-price, indefinite-quantity and indefinite-delivery contract for the procurement of up to 501 Technique Control Modulators. These modulators are used in the AN and ULQ-21 Electronic Countermeasures (ECM) Set, which provides realistic simulation of present and projected ECM threats to evaluate ECM capabilities of weapon systems and training weapon system operators. Work will be performed in Melbourne, and is to be completed by May 2008. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This contract was competitively procured with 32 proposals solicited and 10 offers received. The Naval Air Warfare Center Weapons Division, Pt. Mugu, Calif., is the contracting activity (N68936-02-D-0026).
Northrop Grumman Corp., San Diego is being awarded an $18,900,000 cost-plus-award-fee contract modification to provide for Engineering and Manufacturing Development Stage IIB activities for the Global Hawk Program including ground segment improvements, (SIGINT), Capability Development, and Spares. At this time, $6,568,400 has been obligated. This work will be complete December 2006. The Aeronautical Systems Center, Wright-Patterson, Air Force Base, Ohio, is the contracting activity (F33657-01-C-4600 P00009).
Integrated Construction, Belleville, N.J., is being awarded a $13,402,094 firm-fixed-price contract for construction of six admin facilities for use by the New York City Department of Environmental Protection staff. Work will be performed in New York and is to be completed by July 20, 2003. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. There were 40 bids solicited on January 30, 2002, and 3 bids were received. The U. S. Army Engineer District, Norfolk, Virginia, is the contracting activity (DACA65-02-C-0030).
Teledyne Brown Engineering, Inc. Huntsville, Ala., is being awarded a $21,610,507 increment as part of a $46,025,787 cost-plus fixed-fee contract for research and development on the Missile Defense System Exerciser. Work will be performed in Huntsville, Ala., and is to be completed by April 23, 2012. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This is a sole-source contract initiated on Oct. 26, 2001. The U. S. Army Space and Missile Defense Command, Huntsville, Ala., is the contracting activity (DASG60-02-C-0051).
On May 15, 2002, Osborne Construction Company, Kirkland, Wash., was awarded a $12,892,761 firm-fixed-price contract for design and build of vehicle maintenance facilities. Work will be performed in Fort Lewis, Wash., and is to be completed by August 3, 2003. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. There were an unknown number of bids solicited via the World Wide Web on Feb. 8, 2002, and five bids were received. The U. S. Army Corps of Engineers, Seattle is the contracting activity (DACA67-02-C-0212).
On May 15, 2002, University of South Florida, Tampa, Fla., was awarded a $7,995,804 increment as part of a $21,552,423 cost reimbursement contract for research and development of a generic micro-monitoring instrument capable of characterizing the chemical and physical constituents of its environment. Work will be performed in Tampa, Fla., and is to be completed by May 14, 2003. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. There were an unknown number of bids solicited via the World Wide Web on August 26, 1999, and eight bids were received. The U. S. Army Space and Missile Defense Command, Huntsville, Ala., is the contracting activity (DASG60-00-C-0089).
On May 14, 2002, General Dynamics Land Systems, Inc., Sterling Heights, Mich., was awarded a delivery order amount of $2,919,700 as part of a $5,839,400 (cumulative total) un-priced contractual action for nine lines of spare parts in support of the M1A2 SEP Abrams Tank. Work will be performed in Lima, Ohio (10 percent), Imperial, Calif., (40 percent), Tallahassee, Fla., (40 percent), Anniston, Ala., (10 percent), and is to be completed by Oct. 30, 2003. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This is a sole-source contract initiated on Feb. 14, 2002. The U. S. Army Tank and Automotive Command, Rock Island, Ill., is the contracting activity (DAAE20-97-G-0002).
DEFENSE ADVANCED RESEARCH PROJECTS AGENCY
TRW Systems, Carson, Calif., was awarded on May 15 a $12,590,306 increment of a $14,786,525 modification to a previously awarded other transaction for prototypes (fixed-price) for demonstration two of the Future Combat Systems Communications program. Work will be performed in Carson, Calif. (43 percent), Cambridge, Mass. (16 percent), Atlanta (five percent), Fort Wayne, Ind. (4 percent), Columbia, Md. (four percent), Westminster, Colo. (10 percent), Cedar Rapids, Iowa (5 percent), Salt Lake City (four percent), and multiple additional locations. Work is to be completed by Sept. 30, 2002. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the fiscal year. The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency is the contracting activity (MDA972-01-9-0023, P00005).
By Robert Burns
The Associated Press
(Published: May 15, 2002)
Washington -- Work on underground silos for missile
interceptors will begin in Alaska on June 14, the
first day the government will be freed from a 1972
treaty that bans major missile defenses, the head of
the Pentagon's Missile Defense Agency said Tuesday.
Withdrawal from the treaty also gives the U.S.
military more freedom to explore the use of additional
radars as part of a missile defense system, Lt. Gen.
Ronald Kadish said in an Associated Press interview.
For example, a ship-borne Aegis radar will be used in
a July missile intercept test.
The timing of the actions suggests an urgency within
the administration to get moving on a missile defense
In January, President Bush gave the required six
months notice of U.S. intent to withdraw from the
Anti-Ballistic Missile treaty, despite strong
objections by Russia and doubts among U.S. allies.
The radar test "was specifically prohibited by the
treaty, so it's never been done before," said Kadish,
a three-star Air Force general.
He answered questions in his office, which is adorned
with models of military aircraft, including one of a
modified Boeing 747 designed to shoot down missiles in
flight with a laser.
Withdrawal from the ABM treaty puts Kadish's agency at
an important crossroads. It opens new possibilities
for missile defense technologies but without a
blueprint for how the pieces might be put together.
Because of the treaty restrictions, the military has
steered clear of certain technologies for many years,
but "now we're going back and retracing those steps,"
The work in Alaska on underground silos for missile
interceptors is an example of a project that would
have collided with ABM restrictions. The plan is to
build five missile interceptor silos and associated
communications systems this summer so that by
September 2004 the site, at Fort Greely near
Fairbanks, could be available in an emergency.
The United States currently has no land-, sea- or
space-based means of shooting down long-range
missiles. Kadish said he has no doubt that the United
States one day will be threatened with a missile
"It's only a matter of time, from my point of view,
that we'll be facing this threat, up close and
personal, I'm afraid," he said.
Kadish could look out his office window on Sept. 11
and see flames and billowing clouds of smoke from the
airliner attack on the Pentagon.
The Fort Greely site in Alaska is intended for use
mainly as a testing ground for land-based
interceptors. It is part of a broader Pentagon effort
to expand the scale and types of missile defense
"We've been criticized for a long time for not doing
realistic, robust testing, and this is part of our
plan to do that," Kadish said. "It's expensive, but
it's the right thing to do."
The Bush administration's proposed 2003 defense budget
contains $7.8 billion for missile defense, and
projected spending for the four years beyond that
exceeds $30 billion in total. The Congressional Budget
Office estimates that the cost could reach $64 billion
by the year 2015.
Kadish said he is convinced the cost is worth the
benefit of having a means to defend against long-range
missiles, although missile defense work will have to
"Over time, once you start building a defense system
of this nature, you're never done," he said. "You
should never be done. If you are done then one of two
things happened -- either you no longer need the
system or the threat has stayed still. In the history
of war and military affairs, threats never stay
Russia, which objected to Bush's decision to withdraw
from the ABM treaty but ultimately accepted the move,
does not dispute that long-range missiles are a threat
to the United States and other countries. But it
prefers to emphasize political efforts to stop missile
In Moscow on Tuesday, U.S. Undersecretary of State
John Bolton and Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Georgy
Mamedov met to discuss the two countries' strategic
priorities. The Foreign Ministry said they focused
particularly on "regulating their future relations in
the area of missile
WASHINGTON (AP) - The Defense Department wants to shift $9 billion from
building the Crusader howitzer to accelerating development of precision-guided
artillery shells and rockets, a top Pentagon purchasing manager said Wednesday.
Some of the high-tech weapons could be ready for the Army to use by 2008 - the year the Crusader artillery gun was scheduled to be ready for action, said Michael Wynne of the Pentagon's procurement office.
Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld announced last week that he wants to cancel the Crusader program and redirect the money to other programs. The military has already spent about $2 billion on Crusader, designed to rain 155 mm shells on enemy forces more than 25 miles away.
Rumsfeld and other Pentagon officials say Crusader is too big, too inaccurate and too unwieldy to fit in with the Army's plans for a lighter, faster and more mobile force. Its backers say Crusader will save soldiers' lives by hitting enemy forces before they are within striking range of U.S. troops.
Crusader has strong allies in Congress - the House last week approved a 2003 defense budget including $475 million for continued development of the big gun. Rumsfeld is scheduled to speak to the Senate Armed Services Committee Thursday to make his pitch that money for the Crusader would be better spent on other weapons.
Wynne outlined that argument in a Pentagon news briefing Wednesday. Pumping more money into developing new artillery shells and guided rocket systems will give the Army the same capabilities at the same time as if the Crusader were developed as planned, Wynne said. All the alternative systems are being developed anyway, but spending more money on them will get them into the hands of soldiers faster, he said.
``We'd love to build everything, but we can't,'' Wynne said. ``We saw this as an opportunity to accelerate the transformation of the Army, to direct the money to these weapons.''
At the top of the list is Excalibur, an artillery shell guided by the same type of global positioning satellite technology which has guided many of the ``smart'' bombs dropped on Afghanistan.
Excalibur shells, which could be fired from modified versions of current 155 mm artillery guns, would be accurate within about 10 yards of their target, Wynne said. Current 155 mm artillery shells are accurate within more than 370 yards.
That means artillery gunners could destroy a target such as a bridge with just three shells instead of as many as 150, Wynne said. ``We don't want to pepper the entire countryside'' with artillery shells, he said.
Excalibur rounds also could have a range of more than 35 miles, which is much farther than even Crusader's projected range, Wynne said. Artillery units could be stationed safely behind mountains or other barriers while firing rounds that destroy enemy positions.
The Excalibur is in research and development and a prototype has been test-fired, Wynne said. The new shell could be ready for use as early as 2006.
A possible drawback is cost: Excalibur rounds would cost between $10,000 and $25,000 each, Wynne said.
The Defense Department also wants to accelerate development of the Guided Multiple Launch Rocket System - a battery of precision rockets mounted on a tank-like vehicle. Those rockets also would have a range of more than 35 miles and have similar accuracy to Excalibur, Wynne said.
Again, a major drawback is cost. The program already is so severely over budget that the Pentagon has had to justify continuing the program to Congress.
Wynne said the Defense Department is confident that proposed changes to the program will help it ``straighten up and fly right.''
Pentagon officials also want to quickly develop an experimental rocket system called Net Fires, Wynne said. It's a battery of small, precise missiles that can be carried on the back of a Humvee.
05/15/02 16:49 EDT
WASHINGTON, May 15 (Reuters) - Replacing the oldest U.S. refueling aircraft
remains an Air Force priority, the service's secretary and chief of staff
told Congress Wednesday amid controversy over a proposed lease of commercial
aircraft from Boeing Co. <BA.N>.
The Air Force said concern about the 43-year-old KC-135Es in its fleet had been heightened by the increased pace of aerial refueling after the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States.
"In the last several years we've doubled the amount of time from about 180 days to more than 300 days it takes to take one of these aircraft apart, fix all the corrosion and the things that are wrong with them and put them back together," Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. John Jumper told the Senate Defense Appropriations Subcommittee.
Air Force Secretary James Roche rejected suggestions that the Air Force could get by with its current refueling fleet for 15 years or more.
"That is one of the reasons we are trying to jump-start more quickly, so that we can retire some of the oldest ones -- the E models -- which are facing about $3.2 billion worth of work in the next couple of years," he said.
Replacement needs to start as soon as possible, the Air Force said in a separate letter replying to criticism of the proposed lease deal.
In December, Congress authorized the Air Force to negotiate a lease with Boeing for 100 767s that would be converted into tankers.
Critics blasted the proposed lease as a backdoor handout to Boeing after the hijack attacks caused airlines to slash aircraft orders.
White House and congressional budget experts have said it would be cheaper to buy new planes or refurbish the old rather than a 10-year lease with an estimated cost of $26 billion to $37 billion.
The Senate Armed Services Committee moved last week to force the Air Force to get specific funding for any lease of Boeing tankers -- a process that could delay any deal until the next budget cycle.
A report issued on Wednesday by the General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of Congress, said the urgency for new tankers in the short term was "unclear."
But in its response to the report, received on May 13, the Air Force wrote that leasing offered an opportunity to jump-start its tanker replacement effort earlier than a purchase program.
During the war in Afghanistan "every bomb, bullet and bayonet brought into the theater got there thanks to our aging air refueling tanker fleet," wrote Lt. Gen. Stephen Plummer, the Air Force's top uniformed acquisition official.
The increased demands of the ongoing war, rising costs and the uncertain condition of the KC-135 fleet "demand our beginning to recapitalize the oldest combat fleet in our nation's history as soon as possible," Plummer said.
05/15/02 17:40 ET
6) Rumsfeld Interview with Rush Limbaugh
Date: 5/16/02 3:15:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time
Web version: http://www.defenselink.mil/news/May2002/t05162002_t0516sd.html
NEWS TRANSCRIPT from the United States Department of Defense
DoD News Briefing
Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld
Thursday, May 16, 2002
(Interview with Rush Limbaugh)
Limbaugh: We rarely have guests on the program, as you know,
but we make exceptions now and then when warranted, and
certainly such a circumstance is warranted today. The Secretary
of Defense Donald Rumsfeld joins us. Mr. Secretary, this is a
real pleasure for me to be able to finally say hello and to meet
you even if it is by phone. Welcome to the program.
Oh, is Secretary Rumsfeld with us? Will somebody inform me what's going on?
We lost the connection to Secretary Rumsfeld. What, is he on a
cell phone or something? Anyway, we're getting the connection
What happened was this morning we received a phone call from the
Pentagon asking us if the Secretary would be welcome on the
program today and we said certainly and we set up the time, and
there's a specific reason, of course, that he wishes to speak to
us. About a number of other things. One of them is the Crusader
artillery system which is an area of quite controversy or some
controversy now. It's a defense system that the Pentagon
doesn't want. This is unique. They don't want it. It's
outdated and irrelevant they say, but there are a lot of other
people who do want it in Congress as well. Some people of
course behind the construction of it are eager for it, and there
are some people who represent those manufacturers who are also
pushing for the authorization for spending on the system itself.
That's one of the things we're going to talk about plus some
other things when we get him if we have time.
Can somebody tell me what's going on? Okay, we're getting him
back right now which we've been trying to do here for minutes.
The Pentagon. If we can't get in touch with the Pentagon, they
can't get in touch with us, you want to talk about early warning
systems. We had him locked and loaded.
We do have now Secretary Rumsfeld, is that right? Mr. Secretary, are you there finally?
Rumsfeld: I am indeed. I've been here on the line holding but
apparently we were cut off. I apologize.
Limbaugh: No problem. It's great to finally have you.
I was saying before we got you that we seldom have guests here
but this a rare exception I'm honored to have. It's a pleasure
to finally be able to say hello to you sir, so welcome to the
Rumsfeld: Thank you so much. It's a pleasure for me to have a
chance to say hello to you.
Limbaugh: You've got a limited amount of time. Let me just get
into a couple of things real quick.
Could you first give us your take on the controversy that
erupted last night with this leak to CBS over the lack of
information, or the information that came in, the supposedly
lack of action following it concerning the terrorist attack
Rumsfeld: Well I guess I'd begin by saying it's really much ado
about nothing. To my knowledge there was no warning, no alert as
to suicide attackers in airplanes. There's always been concerns
about hijacking. That's been true for months and years as a
Apparently the intelligence community, our intelligence
community, the country's, did not have sufficient granularity to
issue any specific warning. But I should say that through the
spring and summer there was a great deal of threat reporting
indicating on a variety of different things all over the world,
but without any specificity as to what might happen.
In my view all appropriate actions were taken according to the
threat situation as far as it was known. There were times when
the Department of State would send out cautions and warnings to
their embassies. The Department of Defense had different threat
levels for our various areas of responsibility around the world
and took a whole series of steps at different times as we always
do, but I think it's just grossly inaccurate to suggest that the
President had any kind of a warning about September 11th.
Limbaugh: My question is this. We have a bunch of senators and
members of Congress and members of the press who are acting as
though the President did have that information when it turns out
they did too. They knew as much as he did. Maybe not at the
same time but they certainly knew it long before today when it's
come out. They themselves didn't act upon it to inform the
public of anything. How can they now act ignorant and surprised
when they in fact knew it all along?
Rumsfeld: Yes, I just don't know what they did know. All I
know is what I knew and what the Executive Branch knew was not
actionable in the sense that you could have taken any steps to
have dealt with September 11th.
Limbaugh: Okay, war on terror. I know that it's ongoing. A
lot of people, though, think that it's taken, oh, not a day or
two off, but has sort of receded in intensity and I think a
large part of that is because of the intense focus on the
situation in the Middle East. Is that Middle East focus causing
the war on terrorism say in Afghanistan and elsewhere to be any
less intense than it was at the outset?
Rumsfeld: Certainly not anywhere in the world outside of the
Middle East. It has not changed what we're doing in Afghanistan
one bit, nor is it affecting our other efforts all across the
globe. Of course it is a worldwide effort, as you know, you
properly characterized it as a global war on terrorism. And that
is going on apace.
I don't doubt for a minute that with the periodic flare-ups in
the Middle East which we've seen most of my adult life, that
that can have a muting effect on the degree of cooperation that
we might get from some of the countries in that part of the
world, although I must say I couldn't tell you in what ways it
had disadvantaged us in terms of the war on terrorism.
Limbaugh: How about Iraq? Are we in any way prevented from
taking action in Iraq that we wish to take because of this
Rumsfeld: No, I wouldn't say that. I think Iraq is what it is.
It's a dictatorship that we're working to develop and has some
types of weapons of mass destruction. It's a threat to its
neighbors and is properly on the terrorist list and is so active
that it is giving $25,000 to the families of suicide bombers.
Limbaugh: So if circumstance warranted, let's say you came
across, the Administration came across information that made
invading Iraq paramount the situation currently in the Middle
East would not prevent us from doing so?
Rumsfeld: I don't think that's the kind of a question the
Secretary of Defense should answer. Those are the decisions
that are taken above my pay grade.
What I can say is that certainly the United States, anything we
decide to get into we would have the capability to do. What
that might mean in one part of the world or another at any given
time I think is up to others, and it's not for me to say.
Limbaugh: Let me try this because there are reports that the
military as currently constituted would not be able to carry on
two major fronts at the same time. Are those assertions
Rumsfeld: Our force sizing construct and our defense strategy
is that we will in fact have the capability of conducting two
major regional conflicts simultaneously or near simultaneously.
In one case we would be able to swiftly defeat any effort and in
a second case we would be able to win decisively and carry the
effort all the way to capital and occupy the country.
So it would be inaccurate to say that we could not do two
conflicts simultaneously. It would be accurate to say that a
country would have to make a choice as to which of those two
conflicts you decided you wanted to actually go in and occupy
the entire country as opposed to simply defeating them where
Limbaugh: This may be a question that you as Secretary of
Defense might not feel is your purview to answer, but terrorism
is terrorism and terrorism in the Middle East is that which we
have decided to try to negotiate away rather than defeat as
opposed to al Qaeda which we're trying to defeat. Does that
frustrate you at all?
Rumsfeld: Well, you're right. When we talk about our concern
about terrorism what we're talking about really is not the idea
that we could end all terrorism in the world, but rather that
global networks, networks that cross country lines and that have
had their purpose killing innocent men, women and children for
the purpose of accomplishing some goal, that is something that
we are determined to root out and to deal with and to find the
countries that are providing haven for those terrorist networks
and deal with them.
The situation in the Middle East is, obviously if you've in the
shopping mall or the pizza parlor when a suicide bomber comes in
with explosives wrapped around them and blows up 30, 40, 50
people, that's terrorism. There's no question about it. And
there's also no question but that Hezbollah and Hamas and al
Qaeda and others are involved in that.
It is the decision of the Israelis, really, to try to negotiate
with the Palestinian Authority as they have over time and
clearly it's been a difficult thing for them to do. They were so
close to an arrangement in the last Administration and Mr.
Arafat walked away from it. He clearly is not a very effective
interlocutor for them.
Limbaugh: Will it succeed, do you think?
Rumsfeld: Well, one has to be hopeful. Certainly if you're not
attentive and not trying to help the situation it's likely it
could get worse. If you are attentive and trying to help it it
is not necessarily clear that you'll be able to solve it.
I think anyone who looks at what's going on in that part of the
world has to say at the present time the conditions for peace
aren't very ripe and that means I think it's going to take some
patience, it's going to take some effort, but they've been going
around and around in that part of the world since the 1940s and
I think to expect it to get solved in the next week, month or
period immediately ahead is expecting a lot.
I do think that it's a tragedy. There are so many people being
killed. The circumstances of the people in that region is just
devastated. The GDP per capita of people in Israel and the
Palestinians and in the neighboring countries are all suffering
as a result of the conflict. So it's something that does need
the attention of the world, but I think one has to approach it
as President Bush and Colin Powell are, with realistic
expectations that they're going to pursue it and see if they can
find ways to be constructive and contribute to, in the first
instance, improving the security situation. Then seeing if
there isn't some process that can put people to talking in a way
that would reduce the violence.
Limbaugh: We're talking with Secretary of Defense Donald
Rumsfeld. The Crusader weapons system. It's rare, Mr.
Secretary that the Defense Department doesn't want a new weapon
system. Why do you not want the Crusader?
Rumsfeld: Well, my goodness, you're quite right. Everybody
wants everything. It would be wonderful if we could all have
everything but I think the American people are pretty realistic.
They know when they get up in the morning that they have to
make choices and the American people make choices. They make
them in business, they make them in their families, they make
them every day, and government has to learn to do that. We have
to simply say that resources are finite and we have to pick and
choose between things that we would like, we would want and that
would be nice and that would be desirable, and select the ones
and balance the risks in a way that our country is going to be
able to transform and be capable of providing and contributing
to peace and stability in the decades ahead. And hanging on to
every single thing we've got is going to create the most
enormous bow wave of spending that's going to be required that
there isn't any way in the world we could continue to fund every
single thing that anyone ever dreamt of starting. What we have
to do is pick and choose.
Limbaugh: Is this system ineffective now?
Rumsfeld: No, it doesn't exist. It is many years from reaching
deployment. We're in '02 now, it's probably out into the '08
period before it would exist.
Limbaugh: It's going to be obsolete then if it does come on-line in six years?
Rumsfeld: No, it wouldn't be. It would be a very nice piece of
equipment. It would be a perfectly good piece of artillery.
The problem with it is that what I think we need and what I
think the country needs is more precision munitions and not
simply a larger artillery piece.
The weight of this thing is 49 tons, plus the trailer that goes
with it, the other piece of equipment that goes with it which
brings the total to 97 tons.
If you're going to move that into an area and then try to deploy
it, you can imagine the difficulty of doing that. It takes
something like 64 C-17s just to get 18 artillery tubes into the
battle. The question is where do you land them, how do you move
them, will they go across a bridge with those kinds of weights?
What we have to do is look at other ways to do things. We've
got a good artillery piece in the Palladin, we've got airplanes
that can attack fixed targets, we've got cruise missiles that
can, we have rockets that can, and we simply, I don't think,
would sufficiently advantage ourselves even with a good piece of
equipment by going ahead with it.
Limbaugh: Mr. Secretary, I know time is short. We got started a
little bit late because of the phone connection problem. Can
you hang on through a brief commercial break just for a couple
more minutes after that, we'll wrap up.
Rumsfeld: I'd be delighted to.
Limbaugh: Thank you. Donald Rumsfeld, the Secretary of Defense
is with us and we will continue in a moment.
Limbaugh: We're back talking with the Secretary of Defense
Donald Rumsfeld about the Crusader artillery system.
Do we have anything currently that is being used that could be
upgraded that would cost less, that could go on-line sooner, be
as effective as this system?
Rumsfeld: Yes. I wouldn't say sooner. What we have is the
existing Palladin system and it can be upgraded and it is
Second, we have the Future Combat System which is coming
somewhere between two and six years behind the Crusader, so it
would come in not in 2008 like Crusader might, but say 2010 or
In addition we have a variety of other ways to bring fire
against a target. For example, you've got Army, Navy, Air Force
and Marine aircraft; you've got cruise missiles; you've got
rockets; and so there are many other ways of addressing, hitting
specific targets the way artillery does.
Limbaugh: The opposition to you here is made up of, I know that
Frank Carlucci who is a former Secretary of Defense himself
heads up the Carlisle Group, is working very hard on Capital
Hill and has I guess got the sympathetic ear of some congressmen
in whose districts this system would be built. What are the
odds that you're going to succeed here? I think this is unique.
You've been offered a pricey new system and you don't want it
for financial reasons. What are the odds that you will prevail
Rumsfeld: Oh, I think we will. You know, Frank Carlucci and I
were on the wrestling team in college together. He's been a
friend for years. The people on the other side of this
difference are good folks.
In my view the position we've taken looks not at what's the best
artillery piece only but what's the best way for our forces to
be arranged over the coming period. How can we transform these
forces? I think our case is so persuasive that we'll end up
prevailing in the Congress.
Limbaugh: Mr. Secretary, thanks very much for your time. As I
say, it's really a thrill. I've been watching your briefings on
TV. I note you've had a lot of fun here as a sex symbol now --
Rumsfeld: Come on. [Laughter]
Limbaugh: -- of the administration. It's got to be a lot of
fun and we enjoy your briefings and you are in our estimation
doing a terrific job. We're very flattered that you joined us
and we're honored that you're serving as Secretary of Defense.
Thanks very much for your time.
Rumsfeld: Thank you so much. I appreciate it a great deal.